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	<title>Comments on: The Peak of Teen Suicide Season in Korea: A Prayer For Korean High School Students</title>
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		<title>By: Roboseyo</title>
		<link>http://www.koreasparkle.com/2008/11/a-prayer-for-korean-high-school-students/comment-page-1/#comment-1197</link>
		<dc:creator>Roboseyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Martyn.  Thanks for your comment.

I highly, highly recommend you write me an e-mail, at roboseyo[at]gmail[dot]com

And I also recommend you contact Mike Hurt, the other administrator of this blog, by clicking the &quot;contact us&quot; button on the top right side of this page, who has worked in Korean high schools, whereas I have not, and who has also blogged extensively about this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Martyn.  Thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>I highly, highly recommend you write me an e-mail, at roboseyo[at]gmail[dot]com</p>
<p>And I also recommend you contact Mike Hurt, the other administrator of this blog, by clicking the &#8220;contact us&#8221; button on the top right side of this page, who has worked in Korean high schools, whereas I have not, and who has also blogged extensively about this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Martyn</title>
		<link>http://www.koreasparkle.com/2008/11/a-prayer-for-korean-high-school-students/comment-page-1/#comment-1196</link>
		<dc:creator>Martyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 06:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very interested in your story, I am currently doing the planning work for a documentary based on the Korean education system, and looking at links between a very high teenage suicide rate and depression within Korea.
I would be interested to discuss this subject with you, also if you have any other contacts that would be interested in speaking to me, please pass on my details. 
Many thanks for an interesting article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very interested in your story, I am currently doing the planning work for a documentary based on the Korean education system, and looking at links between a very high teenage suicide rate and depression within Korea.<br />
I would be interested to discuss this subject with you, also if you have any other contacts that would be interested in speaking to me, please pass on my details.<br />
Many thanks for an interesting article.</p>
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		<title>By: Finally, a Korean protest I agree with… &#171; Waygook Next Door</title>
		<link>http://www.koreasparkle.com/2008/11/a-prayer-for-korean-high-school-students/comment-page-1/#comment-941</link>
		<dc:creator>Finally, a Korean protest I agree with… &#171; Waygook Next Door</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pressure put on students to do well on these tests, and around the time that they are taken, Korea&#8217;s suicide rate spikes heavily(in fact, there was a suicide here in Jindo during the mid-terms this semester that the other [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] pressure put on students to do well on these tests, and around the time that they are taken, Korea&#8217;s suicide rate spikes heavily(in fact, there was a suicide here in Jindo during the mid-terms this semester that the other [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Seoul Sister</title>
		<link>http://www.koreasparkle.com/2008/11/a-prayer-for-korean-high-school-students/comment-page-1/#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator>Funk Seoul Sister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a break between chores to blog really quickly. This post on the Hub of Sparkle about the Korean CSAT (College standardized academic test) is really [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a break between chores to blog really quickly. This post on the Hub of Sparkle about the Korean CSAT (College standardized academic test) is really [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Korea Beat</title>
		<link>http://www.koreasparkle.com/2008/11/a-prayer-for-korean-high-school-students/comment-page-1/#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator>Korea Beat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first photo is an organization of journalists who are against &quot;educational competition&quot; and are calling for the exams to be abolished.</description>
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		<title>By: joybot0</title>
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		<dc:creator>joybot0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob~ Definitely Korea&#039;s relationship and attitude towards Japan is an interesting aspect of this all.

Hmm if people understood that Japan&#039;s part in Korea is an aspect of their history that could be used for tourism, perhaps they would move to preserve buildings.

Sigh~ anyways...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob~ Definitely Korea&#8217;s relationship and attitude towards Japan is an interesting aspect of this all.</p>
<p>Hmm if people understood that Japan&#8217;s part in Korea is an aspect of their history that could be used for tourism, perhaps they would move to preserve buildings.</p>
<p>Sigh~ anyways&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the Korean system sounds a lot like the one in practice in England, at least in structural terms (take a test and if you do well you move on to University, and if you don&#039;t do well you get &quot;tracked&quot; into vocational labor).

No doubt Korea has an ungodly suicide rate for young people, and the extreme pressure parents put on their kids can be pretty insane.  But just to play a little Devil&#039;s Advocate, kids face this sort of pressure to achieve almost everywhere in the modern world.  And unfortunately, suicide (or more often self-destructive behavior) happens in America as well.  I taught at a private high school in the States for a while, and while perhaps less intense, the insane expectation game played by parents, using their kids as pawns, was pretty much the same.  Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (throw in Stanford if you like) are considered to be the gold-standard, and if your kid isn&#039;t good enough to get into one of these places, let&#039;s start assigning blame to her teachers and her school (actually, I&#039;d imagine Korean parents probably just blame the kid and themselves, which is hardly an improvement).

I enjoyed reading your piece Rob.  I just think there&#039;s an opportunity to acknowledge that the American system isn&#039;t all that different, in terms of set-up or consequences.  The American SAT is a ridiculous test that has far too much weight placed on it, even today, and it&#039;s a scam to boot.  (Huge moneymaker for Educational Testing Services, who have their greasy mitts all over the GRE, LSAT, and GMAT as well.  When I had to send GRE scores out to various programs for graduate school, I remember paying something like 40 bucks a pop, just for them to seal and mail my freakin&#039; scores.  And this was in the &#039;90&#039;s.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the Korean system sounds a lot like the one in practice in England, at least in structural terms (take a test and if you do well you move on to University, and if you don&#8217;t do well you get &#8220;tracked&#8221; into vocational labor).</p>
<p>No doubt Korea has an ungodly suicide rate for young people, and the extreme pressure parents put on their kids can be pretty insane.  But just to play a little Devil&#8217;s Advocate, kids face this sort of pressure to achieve almost everywhere in the modern world.  And unfortunately, suicide (or more often self-destructive behavior) happens in America as well.  I taught at a private high school in the States for a while, and while perhaps less intense, the insane expectation game played by parents, using their kids as pawns, was pretty much the same.  Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (throw in Stanford if you like) are considered to be the gold-standard, and if your kid isn&#8217;t good enough to get into one of these places, let&#8217;s start assigning blame to her teachers and her school (actually, I&#8217;d imagine Korean parents probably just blame the kid and themselves, which is hardly an improvement).</p>
<p>I enjoyed reading your piece Rob.  I just think there&#8217;s an opportunity to acknowledge that the American system isn&#8217;t all that different, in terms of set-up or consequences.  The American SAT is a ridiculous test that has far too much weight placed on it, even today, and it&#8217;s a scam to boot.  (Huge moneymaker for Educational Testing Services, who have their greasy mitts all over the GRE, LSAT, and GMAT as well.  When I had to send GRE scores out to various programs for graduate school, I remember paying something like 40 bucks a pop, just for them to seal and mail my freakin&#8217; scores.  And this was in the &#8217;90&#8217;s.)</p>
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		<title>By: Roboseyo</title>
		<link>http://www.koreasparkle.com/2008/11/a-prayer-for-korean-high-school-students/comment-page-1/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>Roboseyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joy: I don&#039;t have the links on hand, and can&#039;t remember if they came from The Grand Narrative, Scribblings Of The Metropolitician, or both, bit I&#039;m fairly sure the test-oriented traits (as well as the corporal punishment jones) in the Korean education system are actually legacies of the way the Japanese organized Korea&#039;s education system and philosophy during the colonial period.

As Japanese colonial legacies go, I wish Korea would stop tearing down beautiful old buildings built by Japanese, and tear down and reform/rebuild the ugly educational institution instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joy: I don&#8217;t have the links on hand, and can&#8217;t remember if they came from The Grand Narrative, Scribblings Of The Metropolitician, or both, bit I&#8217;m fairly sure the test-oriented traits (as well as the corporal punishment jones) in the Korean education system are actually legacies of the way the Japanese organized Korea&#8217;s education system and philosophy during the colonial period.</p>
<p>As Japanese colonial legacies go, I wish Korea would stop tearing down beautiful old buildings built by Japanese, and tear down and reform/rebuild the ugly educational institution instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,
 Can we recap how and why this exam process got started. I would think it stems from a country coming out of ruins. 

As expats we can look at every aspect of Korean life and see where it needs improvement. Sometimes it is hard for me to express my own pity for these issues, because I try so hard to keep myself objective. I try to tell myself &quot;It is Korea&quot; and that I didn&#039;t come here to reform the country, I came to see and observe. 

But I know firsthand the affects of such a system as I watch my boyfriend struggle to get a job. 

I think like America change will only come once the younger generation grows into the old generation, and the old people who grew up during the 40&#039;s - 60&#039;s die off. 

Could we not consider how amazing it is that expats do live here and somehow survive and adapt to the social systems that exist here? 

I don&#039;t know about every expat, but I bow and make sure I am respectful to the elders. I try not to make a scene in public. It seems I don&#039;t do this by choice but as part of assimilation. 

Underneath though it is all alien to me, and in my own space of my home can I feel &quot;normal&quot;. 

...
Anyways, knowing that the exams cause great depression which leads to suicide it then points to the lack of psychological support in this country...again the conservative social system.

Sometimes.... ignorance is bliss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,<br />
 Can we recap how and why this exam process got started. I would think it stems from a country coming out of ruins. </p>
<p>As expats we can look at every aspect of Korean life and see where it needs improvement. Sometimes it is hard for me to express my own pity for these issues, because I try so hard to keep myself objective. I try to tell myself &#8220;It is Korea&#8221; and that I didn&#8217;t come here to reform the country, I came to see and observe. </p>
<p>But I know firsthand the affects of such a system as I watch my boyfriend struggle to get a job. </p>
<p>I think like America change will only come once the younger generation grows into the old generation, and the old people who grew up during the 40&#8217;s &#8211; 60&#8217;s die off. </p>
<p>Could we not consider how amazing it is that expats do live here and somehow survive and adapt to the social systems that exist here? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about every expat, but I bow and make sure I am respectful to the elders. I try not to make a scene in public. It seems I don&#8217;t do this by choice but as part of assimilation. </p>
<p>Underneath though it is all alien to me, and in my own space of my home can I feel &#8220;normal&#8221;. </p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
Anyways, knowing that the exams cause great depression which leads to suicide it then points to the lack of psychological support in this country&#8230;again the conservative social system.</p>
<p>Sometimes&#8230;. ignorance is bliss.</p>
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